(This post is a continuation of a previous)
I suggest managers to consider that is not honest to filter workers based on employment state, those days this one is a feature not always belonging to the person!
Then are we sure that all we have to do is just to apply rules that somebody else has done in other moments and other economical periods?
Are we sure that our skills are just to look that the candidate's features fit into our rules?
Isn't that a realy flat job for a specialist in HR (H means Human!!!).
Are we sure that we are able to understand Humans and to take into account the other side of the problem, their side?
How can a person that had troubles help my company to improve reactivity, adaptation and other skills that in my company are maybe low?
Sorry but I firmly believe that academic discussions help you to continue your job day after day and to preserve you from discussing within yourself about what you do and what you think!
Rules preserve peoples from using their mind.
You cannot go against rules in your company? You can try to change rules or better to improve rules fitting into rules new situations not belonging to the past!
If your company doesn't fit the present and the future in their rules, your company can be the next to produce unemployed peoples. What about you then?
Think back a way to fit all those: Honesty - never forgetting that the first level value for a mother is to feed her kids and, I guess, your first level too! - unemployed peoples, your company wealth, ethics of your company toward society before your company requires it from society (never forget: before you give, then you receive!), your boss, your skills, your mediation skills and your inner world that you have never to give away or up!
Be the best advisor for your company from inside too!
Rules permit you not to be engaged too much in your job. Does engagement be a value in your company and a "must" for peoples your company hires?
Oct 28, 2010
Oct 27, 2010
Can unemployed worker lie just about his/her unemployed state to get a job?
The question
I have read a lot of comment blaming the behavior of a women unemployed for six months with three kids, having good references from previous managers, who, to compete in the struggle for a job, lied about her unemployment state; being currently employed was a requirement from the new employer and many HR manager participating in the blog were offended by the behavior of this lady so I decided to explain my opinion, that is:
My opinion
I guess that, as many of you work as HRs in the same country and need to maintain your reputation as much conventional as possible, none of you dare to affirm that being in the opposite side of the question - i mean having three kids to feed and being unemployed - you would lie for sure being unemployed. The problem is not about lies. The problem of this long question is that you need to present yourself as incorruptible man/woman.
I suggest you to go read once again Oliver Twist or other novels from XIX century that your heart has maybe forgotten.
Initiative is a Crime
More: what is initiative here (if you have sales man in your company I guess that they maybe lie to enter into a prospected company and you will never think to set out them from your company by the cause of that!) is miss portrayed with the lie of pretended honesty. Working is a right and, in those days, filtering peoples depending on employment status is a Crime Vs Human beings. Some of you are judging peoples that belongs to another planet. How afar is that discrimination from those in the past, when black peoples were judged not worth of being considered human beings? The step is not so afar in between!
I blame all amongst you that put the question afar from the right to get a job into the blame for lying!
Then, how many companies lie about their position in the market, lie about the job, use recruiting for stealing infos from competitors and so on? What about that? who is the worst?
So, do not act as angels, when we are not!
You maybe need more work for checking those unemployed, but your mission is to increase the general heath and wealth also, I guess.
Finally if you do not take any risk in your job what are you worth of? just to rasp tons of papers? I suggest your boss to review your earnings to level down to the risk you are able to take. No risk, no money: that is a market rule to day!
My Seat is comfortable
I would emphasize some more things to those amongst us that pretend to say: "I make what my employer asks me: if he asks me to hire only people who are still employed, I will!".
You say: "I'm a serious HR manager", OK I can accept this!
You are a manager and you have responsibilities toward your employer. That is OK: is your job, they pay you for that.
Your boss asks you to filter new workers just amongst employed peoples. OK you can say yes, that is a natural immediate answer!
If your boss is asking you something that is not correct, I suppose you maybe suggest him a better solution to avoid possible mistakes or damages or higher costs or less efficiency.
If you can save money having better results you have to say to your boss!
If your company will accept unemployed peoples, with good references your company maybe can save good money. You have to tell your company!
If you are here, discussing those topics, you know all those very well!
You know that there are plenty of good peoples unemployed, worth of a salary: skilled peoples, very committed, mostly after a period of unemployment.
Good earnings means responsability
Now, if you still think to deserve a good salary, you have to take into account this new opinion about unemployed peoples and to reshape your boss's opinion too!
If you think to make your best for your company you have to make it you can choose either to obey your boss or to present him a better solution. Yet you have to make the best you can!
If you do not do so, you will fail in one of your most important duties: to act as the best advisor for your employer as you can!
If you know that you can propose him good workers amongst unemployed peoples, you have to tell him and to persuade him he was wrong!
Think about! Ask yourself if you are permitted to carry on you job day after day in a flat manner! Sooner o later someone will replace you!
Try not to be Pontius Pilate!
I have read a lot of comment blaming the behavior of a women unemployed for six months with three kids, having good references from previous managers, who, to compete in the struggle for a job, lied about her unemployment state; being currently employed was a requirement from the new employer and many HR manager participating in the blog were offended by the behavior of this lady so I decided to explain my opinion, that is:
My opinion
I guess that, as many of you work as HRs in the same country and need to maintain your reputation as much conventional as possible, none of you dare to affirm that being in the opposite side of the question - i mean having three kids to feed and being unemployed - you would lie for sure being unemployed. The problem is not about lies. The problem of this long question is that you need to present yourself as incorruptible man/woman.
I suggest you to go read once again Oliver Twist or other novels from XIX century that your heart has maybe forgotten.
Initiative is a Crime
More: what is initiative here (if you have sales man in your company I guess that they maybe lie to enter into a prospected company and you will never think to set out them from your company by the cause of that!) is miss portrayed with the lie of pretended honesty. Working is a right and, in those days, filtering peoples depending on employment status is a Crime Vs Human beings. Some of you are judging peoples that belongs to another planet. How afar is that discrimination from those in the past, when black peoples were judged not worth of being considered human beings? The step is not so afar in between!
I blame all amongst you that put the question afar from the right to get a job into the blame for lying!
Then, how many companies lie about their position in the market, lie about the job, use recruiting for stealing infos from competitors and so on? What about that? who is the worst?
So, do not act as angels, when we are not!
You maybe need more work for checking those unemployed, but your mission is to increase the general heath and wealth also, I guess.
Finally if you do not take any risk in your job what are you worth of? just to rasp tons of papers? I suggest your boss to review your earnings to level down to the risk you are able to take. No risk, no money: that is a market rule to day!
My Seat is comfortable
I would emphasize some more things to those amongst us that pretend to say: "I make what my employer asks me: if he asks me to hire only people who are still employed, I will!".
You say: "I'm a serious HR manager", OK I can accept this!
You are a manager and you have responsibilities toward your employer. That is OK: is your job, they pay you for that.
Your boss asks you to filter new workers just amongst employed peoples. OK you can say yes, that is a natural immediate answer!
If your boss is asking you something that is not correct, I suppose you maybe suggest him a better solution to avoid possible mistakes or damages or higher costs or less efficiency.
If you can save money having better results you have to say to your boss!
If your company will accept unemployed peoples, with good references your company maybe can save good money. You have to tell your company!
If you are here, discussing those topics, you know all those very well!
You know that there are plenty of good peoples unemployed, worth of a salary: skilled peoples, very committed, mostly after a period of unemployment.
Good earnings means responsability
Now, if you still think to deserve a good salary, you have to take into account this new opinion about unemployed peoples and to reshape your boss's opinion too!
If you think to make your best for your company you have to make it you can choose either to obey your boss or to present him a better solution. Yet you have to make the best you can!
If you do not do so, you will fail in one of your most important duties: to act as the best advisor for your employer as you can!
If you know that you can propose him good workers amongst unemployed peoples, you have to tell him and to persuade him he was wrong!
Think about! Ask yourself if you are permitted to carry on you job day after day in a flat manner! Sooner o later someone will replace you!
Try not to be Pontius Pilate!
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